Another in a series of quotes for people on my flist.

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This one is for cmeckhardt, following up on conversations we had about intersectionality, and it's from Ta-Nehisi Coates:

But whenever I read that XX field isn't diverse enough, I don't so much doubt the truth of it, as I think the charge deeply underestimates exactly the price being exacted for white supremacy in this country, and the length of time for which it went unchecked. We're 50 years into a truly democratic, non white-supremacists America. Congratulations. But we we spent some 150 years in which the country's major institutions--its government, its business, its churches, its block associations, its military, its police force, its labor unions--in the main, aided and abetted white racism. There are certainly exceptions, but I tend to think that the long-term damage done is incalculable and has a lot to do with how we live today.

I'm reporting out a story now in which I had to talk with older black folks who'd grown up in an industrial city in the 40s and 50s. One of the things that comes through from them is that being smart and black, during that time, was really scary. I keep hearing these tales of black people with degrees in electrical engineering, who ended up working in the post office, driving cabs, or worse, running numbers. This is toward the end of Jim Crow, and after slavery, both of which did their best to exact a toll on uppity nigras, who though they were above their station. I don't think I would have made it past fourteen in that world.

What is the long-term damage of communicating a penalty, including death, for black intelligence while rewarding white intelligence? What is the long-term damage of having a federal government policy which intentionally seeks to retard the wealth of black communities? What is the long-term damage of using the police--theoretically the guardians of all that is right in society--as a kind of thug army charged with enforcing racist edicts? These are, literally, questions. I don't have answers for them, but when I hear people asking Hollywood to grapple with a history that we, ourselves, don't want to grapple with I wonder whether we really understand precisely what happened, how much we lost, and how long it will take to get it back.

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[sea-bound.livejournal.com]

I'm going to bump into the conversation briefly and say that I think we are watching the long-term damage unfold. A black community with no mainstream black male role models aside from rap/R&B artists who objectify women and talk about violence and money as the path to power. A black community that has itself begun to penalize black intelligence.

It's interesting to see the parallels between POC communities. In many cases, the group lacks the cohesion to create an identity that resonates with the majority of the group. In that vacuum, people end up taking on the stereotyped identity that the West (often white) dictates for them--one that is often an extreme perspective. We are seeing it happen in the Middle East and I think one could argue that the same is happening for black communities in the US.

[pekmez.livejournal.com]

Ok, this has nothing to do with the actual quote, but quite a long time ago when we moved into this house we named it Intersection because of a different "intersectionality"... and now I see what must be the LJ username of our newest downstairs tenant in this post. Heh. (Yup, knows everybody, as has already been established.)

[dpolicar]

Yup.

Though I want to be careful about the "we can't do anything unless we do everything" fallacy.

That is, yes, Hollywood's institutional racism flows out of and is supported by the institutional racism of our overall culture, which itself flows out of our overtly racist history. And yes, we have a hard time grappling with that and mostly don't try, and a lot of things just don't come clear unless we do.

But ya gotta start somewhere, and Hollywood is a visible place, and not a bad starting point, really. Of course there are a dozen other starting points just as good or better, and there's no reason to pick just one. Problems generally flow out, but solutions often flow in.

'course, all of that's easy for me to say, as a white guy.

[dpolicar]

Ta-Nehisi Coates is your downstairs tenant? That's so cool!
:-)

[karakara98.livejournal.com]

Yes! This makes so much sense to me. It was always a little shocking to me how much my Southern grandmother resented Reconstruction, despite the fact that she didn't experience it directly. I think through a combination of the deprivation she experienced herself during the Depression combined with stories from her grandparents crystallized that as a "evil" time period to her.

It will take generations of "non-white supremacist America" for the African American community to be engaged. This is why it doesn't surprise me at all that our first African American president has a different background.

[elisaana.livejournal.com]

First, I think you'd be interested in "When Affirmative Action Was White: An Untold History of Racial Inequality in Twentieth-Century America", historian Ira Katznelson's book exploring how a number of government programs that helped move poor whites into the middle class systematically excluded blacks. For instance, the portion of the GI Bill on education was written by a Southern representative explicitly to keep school certification out of federal hands; as a result, Southern black veterans had very few academic choices open to them besides the historic black colleges, because the other Southern universities did not have to integrate.

Second, while there's certainly long-term damage to the black community, we should also remember that the larger society also lost out through this exclusion. Again, to use an educational example, Southern states were some of the last in the country to implement universal public schooling, precisely because they did not want to have to educate black children; this means that they were slower to develop as many major colleges (fewer qualified students), and this may have contributed to their slower economic growth. Also, only once non-WASP historians made it into academia (mainly on the GI Bill) did we start to see more accurate American histories that focused on social groups besides the elites; even so, the history that Ta-Nehisi Coates tells is only now coming to light (i.e. to mainstream/academic consciousness).

Thanks for the post!