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"James Blish has said that much of sci-fi relies on Idiot Plots, defined as stories 'kept in motion solely by virtue of the fact that everybody involved is an idiot.'"

(Gregg Easterbrook, two-thirds of the way down the very long page http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/060425)

It occurs to me that it might be more plausible to have characters do unfathomably dumb things because they're crazy.

But maybe it's hard to write fictional characters who are both sympathetic and insane? Wait, I guess that's Bridget Jones.

Okay, maybe the readers and viewers of SF don't identify very well with people who act irrationally? Or at least not as well as the readers of some other genres?

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Date: 2006-04-27 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] signsoflife.livejournal.com
Horror movies, even more so -- to the point that when a horror movie manages to have people NOT behave like idiots, it's impressive.

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Date: 2006-04-27 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orichalcum.livejournal.com
So first of all, I hate plots that require people to behave like idiots. Harry Potter in particular periodically has this problem, which can only be countered effectively by the Evil Dumbledore Theory.

However, Easterbrook is largely on crack about Galactica and largely reveals himself to be a careless viewer in his complaints, as they aren't actually well-grounded, in general.

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Date: 2006-04-27 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tribacibee.livejournal.com
I agree that fiction (of any kind, SciFi included) is rife with Idiot Plots, a narrative structure only slightly less irritating than a plot of endless coincidences. However, I think that (unlike the coincidence plot) the Idiot Plot stems from an attempt at ambitious storytelling. Some of the best characters in literature (again, SciFi included) get into trouble because of their blind spots. Ender Wiggin has his siblings and his "games." Harry Potter has (as Hermione puts it) "a thing about saving people." Gilgamesh has a blinding thirst to be remembered. Anna Karenina has an absolute belief that she is meant to be a heroine. It is these very human flaws that trigger the very best kind of plots, and if writers aim to create characters with plot inducing flaws sometimes (often) they overshoot and wind up with idiots and idiot plots.

I could give an impassioned rant about Baltar, but don't want to bore you silly.
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Date: 2006-04-28 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] julianyap.livejournal.com
Hmmm. I read a ton of science fiction and I am not sure that I'd characterize myself of idealizing rationality. (Saneness, sure, but I'm not sure that's the same as rationality). I do agree that there are books which take this to the extreme, but in my experience they're rather few and far between.

I guess my only points are a) I have not found that I have a harder time sympathizing with books where the people act irationally to the degree that most people act irrationally all the time b) I'm not certain its as common as Blish says, at least in good writing. c) I'm not certain its more prevalent in Sci-Fi thanany other sort of fiction. I mean there are some great works of literature where the plot essenitally turns on people completely and constantly failing to understand other people's motivations.

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