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For example, the standard home air conditioning solution is the mini-split, or ductless air conditioner, one to a room. This kind of air conditioner has an outdoor compressor and an indoor air-handling unit, with a thin tube for refrigerant connecting the two. In most of Asia from Beijing to Singapore and everywhere in between, this kind of air conditioner is the kind you encounter. There's always a remote control so you can adjust it from the comfort of your bed or your TV couch.

This appears to be the preferred way to do climate control, even in the most expensive of houses. Each room gets an air-handling unit. Multiple air-handlers can be attached to a single compressor, and the holes through the walls are quite small, so the system is quite flexible.

It is the height of extravagance to leave the thing on when you're not in the room. Even very rich people shut off the air-conditioning when they leave the room, and turn it back on when they come back, so they are only cooling the rooms they are in. The air conditioners are quite powerful and lower the temperature very quickly, even in places like Thailand or Singapore. This also means that the hallways between rooms can sometimes be quite warm.

As for water heating, the vast majority of water heaters in Asia are point-of-use. The modern ones come on automatically when you turn on the hot water, and there's a lag which is shorter than that one expects from a central water heater here in the States.

I've often thought about implementing this water heating solution here in the States, possibly combined with a central water heater somewhere to bring the water temperature from cold to warm before it reaches the point-of-use heaters, but not so hot as to lose significant heat along the way. digitalemur says that this idea would work best with a low-cost central heating system, like a solar water heater.

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Date: 2010-05-24 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] docorion.livejournal.com
Europe uses a similar water heating solution in some cases, but generally a more central one where the heating unit is central, and heats water for the entire house at time of use. (We called it a geyser, but I've seen them in the US as "tankless hot water heaters").

The point of use cooling idea is terrific; I wonder if there's a difference in installation price, though? Because it would be just like the US to skimp on initial cost and pass it down onto cheap utilities (since US utility cost is usually lower than comparable cost elsewhere). (Yeah, I know, it's the rational thing to do economically, but it ignores all the externalities I care about, without any countervailing virtues I don't (other than "cheap", which I value only if paired with "good").

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Date: 2010-05-24 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] r-ness.livejournal.com
Yeah, my parents actually have that solution you mention: a tankless water heater in their new house which heats the water centrally and sends it around the house. It's not bad but I wonder about heat losses in transit.

In Asia the point of use water heaters are also set higher. The ones in my friends' place were set at 58C, and you really needed to be careful when you turned on the hot water: hot water was hot. Because they were at the point of use there weren't any concerns about heat loss, but there can be a danger of scalding if the temperature is set too high.

(There was a nice guesthouse in Tokyo which carefully labeled each hot water tap with a sign that said, "Hot water is hot!" It seems redundant but if you're from the States and not expecting water hot enough to scald to come out of the tap, it's a useful warning.)

I think the point of use air conditioning wins in comparison to ducted central air, because you don't need to retrofit ductwork into your house if it's not already there. But even new construction seems to default to this cooling solution. puffydrake's house was built only a couple of years ago and uses this method of cooling, and it seems like it's just the way residential buildings are constructed. (Commercial buildings do often have central air.)

Finally, I forgot about my friends' spiffy new Siemens washer, which like most German front-loading washing machines has an in-washer water heater, rather than relying on an incoming hot water feed. The temperature setting on it goes up to 90 C, which I used on my white shirts. They got very clean.

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Date: 2010-05-24 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mamamoira.livejournal.com
You can actually get tankless water heaters that are very localized; some friends of mine are getting their kitchen remodeled (courtesy of busted pipes upstairs in the winter), and are putting in a tankless unit behind the sink, but I believe the idea is to run it to the dishwasher as well.

So...how big is the inside air handler? Where does it sit? Equiv of a box fan, or mini fridge, or what?

A lot of houses at least in my part of the country built post-1970s assume central A/C ducted everywhere, and so the layout tends to be very open, not allowing for easy closing off of parts of the house. When you have one room that tends towards the warm (like, say the room housing all of the computers), you start thinking about window units. But those also are ugly and not always doable if the window isn't convenient.

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Date: 2010-05-24 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] r-ness.livejournal.com
Three feet wide, more or less, and about a foot or so high. It's mounted on a wall near the ceiling, because the air vents down and out. There's almost always a "swing" setting to get the vents to move up and down.

This video, How to Install a Mini-Split Air Conditioner from This Old House, might give some idea of scale.

The Department of Energy has this page on ductless, mini-split air conditioners: http://www.energysavers.gov/your_home/space_heating_cooling/index.cfm/mytopic=12430

This Google products result has a photo of the air handling unit and the condenser unit, but no real indication of scale.

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Date: 2010-05-26 10:42 pm (UTC)
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The point of use cooling idea is terrific; I wonder if there's a difference in installation price, though? Because it would be just like the US to skimp on initial cost and pass it down onto cheap utilities (since US utility cost is usually lower than comparable cost elsewhere). (Yeah, I know, it's the rational thing to do economically, but it ignores all the externalities I care about, without any countervailing virtues I don't (other than "cheap", which I value only if paired with "good").

late to the party here, but you can absolutely buy split-system AC in the US, and it's not that expensive ; cheaper than central (ducted) air for most houses, especially older ones. I've even seen some new builds here in Palo Alto that have split systems instead of ducted.

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