Vikings in the piazza
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randomnessFrom http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3536125:
"Britain's cities are already among the booziest in the world, and the worry is that they will become more alcohol-sodden once the old restrictions are done away with. The new act addresses some fears by giving local authorities more powers to move against troublesome pubs. But as Andrew McNeill, director of the Institute for Alcohol Studies, an independent think-tank, puts it, “It's not that the Pig & Whistle is badly managed. The problem is that there are 40 Pig & Whistles in a tiny area.”
"Drink has become more of a problem partly because Britons are drinking more. The average adult consumed 11.2 litres of pure alcohol last year—12% more than when Labour came to power, and more than twice as much as in the middle of the 20th century. While most Europeans have cut back in recent years and Americans continue in their moderate ways, the British and Irish are both on seemingly unstoppable benders.
"But the real problem is the way Britons drink. Like Scandinavians, they like to get very drunk, but their drinking habits are as sociable as more moderate Mediterranean tipplers. British institutions such as the round and the pub crawl encourage group boozing and clusters of outlets—a trend that has accelerated since the early 1990s as a result of more liberal licensing. The hope was that allowing people to drink when and where they want would encourage self-restraint. The effect so far has been akin to letting Vikings loose in the piazza."
"Britain's cities are already among the booziest in the world, and the worry is that they will become more alcohol-sodden once the old restrictions are done away with. The new act addresses some fears by giving local authorities more powers to move against troublesome pubs. But as Andrew McNeill, director of the Institute for Alcohol Studies, an independent think-tank, puts it, “It's not that the Pig & Whistle is badly managed. The problem is that there are 40 Pig & Whistles in a tiny area.”
"Drink has become more of a problem partly because Britons are drinking more. The average adult consumed 11.2 litres of pure alcohol last year—12% more than when Labour came to power, and more than twice as much as in the middle of the 20th century. While most Europeans have cut back in recent years and Americans continue in their moderate ways, the British and Irish are both on seemingly unstoppable benders.
"But the real problem is the way Britons drink. Like Scandinavians, they like to get very drunk, but their drinking habits are as sociable as more moderate Mediterranean tipplers. British institutions such as the round and the pub crawl encourage group boozing and clusters of outlets—a trend that has accelerated since the early 1990s as a result of more liberal licensing. The hope was that allowing people to drink when and where they want would encourage self-restraint. The effect so far has been akin to letting Vikings loose in the piazza."
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re: drinking in eng-a-lund
Date: 2005-01-08 02:08 pm (UTC)that being said ...
my husband & i took all our prenatal classes recently and discovered this fun fact from a couple who spent the first five or so months of their pregnancy in the u.k.: apparently, in the classes there, they recommend that you drink "only a pint or two per day" and that you "moderate" your smoking, presumably based in large part on the trend identified in your post! we were fascinated ... while i'm not completely opposed to a glass of red wine while p.g., two pints of guinness would pretty much get me looped!
it's different over there, i tell you ...
Re: drinking in eng-a-lund
Date: 2005-01-08 10:04 pm (UTC)Hi, nice to "meet" you. :)
it's different over there, i tell you ...
Yah, what they consider normal is pretty amazing. Then again, they think we're pretty weirdly puritanical when it comes to a lot of things.
Cheers! :)
At first I thought this was a restaurant review
Date: 2005-01-08 02:57 pm (UTC)Re: At first I thought this was a restaurant review
Date: 2005-01-08 10:09 pm (UTC):)
(To be fair, the Economist is a British newsmagazine, even if much of their readership is now in North America, so they're mostly tsktsking themselves.)
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Date: 2005-01-08 03:48 pm (UTC)The other thing we noticed is that London seemed much more violent than any city either of us have ever lived in. Not only did we frequently witness fights on the street (personal favorite: a man attempting to fight his way onto a bus against the combined efforts of the driver and conductor while his girlfriend held his suit jacket and whacked his opponents about the head and shoulders with her purse screaming--well, slurring--"don't you touch my boyfrien'"...and this was in posh Kensington), but there were well over 400 violent attacks against tube personnel in 2001 (according to posters in the tube). While I know some people credit this to guns being scarce, I can't help but think that the omnipresence of alcohol probably fuels it.
(no subject)
Date: 2005-01-08 10:28 pm (UTC)Yes, I can hear the arch understatement in your voice from here. :)
The other thing we noticed is that London seemed much more violent than any city either of us have ever lived in.
*nod nod*
You can't be in London--or much of the rest of England--very long before running into something like this. One evening I was walking to the Underground along Tottenham Court Road when I came across a small, shocked circle of people outside the entrance to a pub standing around a man who was beating up another man who was lying on the ground. The man on the ground had already had his arm broken--or so I heard someone say--and the man beating him up was justifying himself to the circle whilst continuing to pound the guy on the ground.
No one was doing anything except making horrified noises and comments, so I crossed to the other side of the street to a phone box and made a 999 call. By the time I'd given my location the police cars were screaming down the street, and I figured the situation was well in hand.
But as a member of an identifiable ethnic minority, one is extra-cautious around English drunks.
While I know some people credit this to guns being scarce, I can't help but think that the omnipresence of alcohol probably fuels it.
Yeah, one wonders what it would be like if they did have guns.
Coincidentally, this week's Economist also has a story on guns in South Africa in which it comments "pub brawls quickly become fatal."
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Date: 2005-01-08 09:33 pm (UTC)Worst of all, for me, is how this impacts dating. The usual dating procedure here is to go out drinking, hook up with someone, and if you fancy them the next day, start seeing them. Honestly, I'm not making this up. I once had someone who was interested in me say, upon learning that I didn't drink at all, "But if you don't get drunk, then how can I get you to go to bed with me?" -smacks forehead-
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Date: 2005-01-08 10:34 pm (UTC)While this isn't uncommon undergraduate mating behavior in the States, there are other possible courtship rituals here. What a major pain.
"But if you don't get drunk, then how can I get you to go to bed with me?" -smacks forehead-
Really, what can one possibly say to that? Except maybe, "You can't."
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Date: 2005-01-10 05:52 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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